One of my favourite blog friends Leslie has had a very stressful year to say the least. Just before Christmas her daughter became very ill requiring hospitalization and surgery. Leslie tells us today that her daughter is home and recovering. Thank god for that. Leslie made a very poignant post aboutCanada Health Care system and I really think it is worth a read. She itemized for us all the tests her daughter endured, the numerous doctors that her daughter saw and the surgery and and was explaining that it didn't cost her or her daughter anything.I know this is always an amazement to our neighbours south of the border....how can this be. How can you get all this health care for free? But they also ask the question, if Canadian health care is so good why do so many Canadian come across the border for health care?
I wish there was a simple answer to that. What I would like to share with you is what I know about our health care system the good and the bad.
First, our health care system is not free. We pay for it in our taxes, our employer pays in some cases 100% of our premiums or if you are self employed you pay your own premiums but for example they are only a few hundred dollars for 6month coverage. Now that is different in each province, but the basic concept still stands. Where I believe our health care system started to get into trouble was when our Federal government made huge cut backs to the provinces for health care. It then became the provinces responsibility to pick up for the lack of funding. For provinces like British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario it's not so bad as the majority of the countries population lives in these provinces and the pain of the tax increases to cover costs is spread amongst a few million rather than in smaller provinces who would feel the cutback even more.
I personally believe the "Crisis" that the media is so fond of using in health care is really politically fed. The American insurance companies want a piece of us, the pharmaceuticals certainly want their share and the doctors and private clinics want a piece of the pie as well. So what better way to tell the public you need more private clinics than to cut back services in the public system.
Now this leads to another issue. Supply and demand. There are not enough, doctors, nurses and technicians to go around. So if you have a doctor wanting to open a private clinic to do let say orthopaedic day surgeries. In order to run these clinics you need surgeons, anesthesiologist, RN, x-ray technicians. So if you need all of these professionals to run this clinic and the system is already short where do you think they are coming from? The public system. The doctor/surgeon feels he is not getting enough OR time in the public system so he wants to open up a private clinic, in order to do that he needs staff. That staff comes from the public systems, nurses and radiologist or technicians come to the private clinics on their days off....but what happens then to the public system if Susie or John RN call in sick and there is no one to replace them because Mary or Joe have gone to work in the private clinic that day, the employer is then forced to pay overtime if they can find someone at overtime or close beds. So I ask you, how are we any further ahead? We talk about the wait lists....well that is one of the ways the wait lists are happening. Doctors/Surgeons are working in two systems.....private and public. Personally, I don't think that should be allowed. But the promotion of private clinics is also being fed by the insurance companies, which are now becoming more and more American....you start to see the connection.So we have a shortage of professionals, so what do we do? Hire more staff? Not that easy, there just aren't enough of us out there, it's an international problem. Today for example, I was to see my GP. Before Christmas, my appointment got cancelled because he was sick and then their office was closed for Christmas and so I was rescheduled for today. Guess what, he is in the hospital there are no doctors in that office today. So how does that happen? I live in a small town, there are no locums that the local doctors can call upon to keep their practise running, so it gets shut down and then guess what happens,it snowballs. The senior who really needed to come in to see the doctor because their blood pressure medications aren't working, ends up in ER in a hypertensive crisis. The colleges and university don't have the physical space for larger classes or extra staff to teach more students. Even when we get the students in, it's a matter of finding them appropriate placements in the hospitals.
I have heard some of the senior nurses talk about how they never should have done away with nursing schools being part of the hospital. They felt that not only did it provide the hospital with extra staff but it really made the nurses job ready.
Then we talk about salaries. RN's, radiology technicians, Lab Techs, ultrasound techs are all salary. Which means are wages are capped. But that is not so for the doctor's. I have heard the argument that doctor's have more overhead because they have offices to run or have more years of schooling etc. Well I don't know how much of that still holds true. Many doctors opt to either run their office or work out of the hospital, and as far as schooling goes, now with the Nurse practitioners you have people in all walks of health care that have as much if not more education than some medical doctors.
So what is driving this so called health care crisis......the only thing that I can think of is GREED, and the desire to live forever. Or find a cure at all costs. That takes us down a whole different path. But just think about it....pneumonia's used to be what they called an old persons friend. I know that sounds harsh, but it is true...the older person would get a pneumonia and before antibiotics came along they would made comfortable and basically told they were going to die. Where do we draw the line on the care one receives. I mean medical advancement are marching on, and we as a society now expect everything to be done. Before babies born under 28 weeks gestation would not make it. Now with technology being what it is we are able to save babies at 22 or 23 weeks gestation. These little ones need longer hospitalization and treatments which of course all drives up costs. Again, please don't misunderstand me, I am in awe of what we can do and how we can save lives, but again at what cost. What will be the quality of life of the person who was without oxygen for 15 or 20 mins going to be like if we are successful in reviving them? Who pays the long term care costs for that person? These are tough questions, which often I have seen taken to ethics committees. But we as a society have to keep this in mind as well. The medical advancements come with a cost and are we willing to pay for those advancement. My conscious tells me we would, but when is enough enough? Or is there ever enough? I don't have the answer to that, I wish I did. But as long as we as humans continue to want more we will always find ways to get more, even if it is on the backs of the less fortunate.
When we start talking about drugs and the pharmaceutical companies many variables come into play, like product patents, research and drug testing. Many posts can be done on that alone, but again it is something to keep in mind when we talk about health care costs.
Then there is our own responsibility and accountability for our health. What about tobacco companies or alcohol...we all know the ailments both these drugs can do to our bodies, but because these companies have such wonderful lobbyist who pay off government politicians to help keep the taxes low on these items them then they will continue to be available and we be human will continue to consume and use because that is our god given right even when we know it can cause us health issues. So personal accountability plays a role as well.
I don't have the answers, and I suspect I am going to get some very interesting comments regarding my post. But you know when I watched the movie Sicko one of the things that stood out the most for me, was when they showed old footage of politicians talking about how public system or any social program was communist of nature and that was BAD! I just shook my head. The fear mongering they tried to instill in the public....that any social program was bad. I think they feared for what they didn't know. Well now they do know that there can be a public health care system, one that can be enjoyed and shared by all.
I want to leave this on a positive note. In all my years of nursing I have never experienced a patient being denied or turned away because they didn't have health care coverage . OUr system is by no means perfect but I am proud to say that I am Canadian simply based on the fact that we do provide public health care for all.
I wish you all good health!
26 comments:
Wow...this is a stunning post..I am so glad that I sent people to your blog today on my Round Up....so much of what you blogged is true....
I really agree with you about the hospital based nursing schools- I was trained in a big Hospital based school in an East Coast Inner City..."diploma program" , and I don't regret that...I felt like it was the best education I could have had....I regret that those schools have been removed...
I love that you point out the differences between here ( US ) and there ( Canada)....we too pay taxes and also employer- BUT the Companies are driving/dictating the care and the coverage- and that is wrong- the power is being taken away from nurses and doctors....decisionmaking and problem solving should be in our hands- not beaurocratic pencil pushers...But many things have fed to our crisis here- Media, Govt, and the Insurance companies....
About your shortages...they should not be happening...but I think some of it is happening worldwide....I know the clinics and hospitals here are also suffering...and that it does indeed effect care....
Thank you for blogging about such an important issue....and putting such thoughtful reflection on issues that are complicated, but intertwined....
I live in Port Angeles, Washington. And as you know, the health care system in America is all screwed up, driven by greed.
On the other hand, the hospital here is a county hospital, in theory they can't turn anyone away, and I think it is a very good hospital even though I hear complaints about it all the time.
The bottleneck in it is the 'bottom feeders' that are always in the emergency room, the low life's that never contribute much to society but think they should get as good as good as health care as honest hard working people that have worked and contributed to the system all their lives.
I must admit that this bothers me at times, but I don't think there are any easy answers because the bottom feeders want to live long lives also, only they expect us folks that worked all our lives to save and support them.
I have trouble supporting that at times. I mean, just how many bottom feeders can the rest of us be expected to support?
I had to speed read your post but it was good all in all.
Thank you for your comments....I must apologize for the lengthy post...that is generally not my style....I really should have made a couple of posts out of this...but I was on a roll....so thank you for reading anyways....cheers to you both....next time I will split it up....
Gee Mary Anne, I seem to have started something here. I'm so glad my post pushed some of your buttons and that you've addressed some issues here. My older sister got her RN training at VGH and went on to take post grad training as an operating room nurse, eventually becoming head nurse in the ORs. You have commented on things that Americans always point to when they try to put our system down and I'm glad you spoke out about it. But the bottom line is that we are lucky to have such a great system (flaws and all) and I would not want to live anywhere else if I were sick and needing emergency treatment. Oh yes, I said that everything was free for my daughter, but yes in reality we do pay for the services in our taxes and our premiums, but don't forget that if any citizen can't afford the premiums they don't have to pay. I'm going to put an update on my post to have people come over here for the rest of the story.
"Now if we want to get on about politicians".
Ah, the big nuts that rise to the top of the pile to lead us. Like I keep saying, life is like a can of mixed nuts, the big ones work their way to the top, and they are who we have to vote for.
agree with you 100%!
I very much enjoyed this post because I just watched Michael Moore's Sicko this past weekend.
Man, that was a serious post.
Uh, just who are all the Canadians coming here for health care?
I hear about them all the time but somehow I never meet any of them...
Please excuse BBC he has terrible manners, and does not have his facts straight- People that do not have access to affordable care and/or insurance are not" bottem feeders", shame on him for saying that . There are 47 Million of Americans who have no CARE and no insurance, I am grateful that you did this post, on such an important issue...and that Americans can read this and know that there are options...
and there is not reason to split this post up-- you wrote a post that was comprehensive and covered all the bases...so I am gratefull...excellent post.
I have to echo what the others are saying here. This is an excellent post and one we all need to think about. Insurance costs in the US are rising at unbelievable rates while at the same time insurance companies want to cut what they will cover. I have heard of Canada's health care plan and wonder why, if they can make it work, they can't make something like that work here in the States. But I know the answer to that.........politicians and greed! There will always be people here in the States without any type of health care coverage and ignore their symptoms and don't seek treatment because they simply can't afford to pay for it. A very sad state of affairs!
Hugs, my friend!
I agree that BBC was rude; however, what is sad is that many people agree with him, but just don't dare say it on a blog....that's why America doesn't have a public health care system in my humble opinion...scare tactics like "Pinkos," "Bottom Feeders," etc...scare the bejesus out of some people...how sad....
Your health system is very much like ours in the UK, thankfully though our GP's surgeries always seem to have enough staff so they don't close.
Our National Health System isn't free either - those of us who work pay in National Insurance Contributions and Taxes but of course the elderly (who have already paid) and those layabouts who refuse to work get free medical care as well. I do object to people who haven't paid into the system receiving free care which seems to be happening more and more here - it is a big strain on resources. As far as I know no-one is ever turned away that needs emergency care and they aren't asked for their credit card details before they're treated either.
Hello, an American here, thank you for your informative post about health care. You have written a comprehensive entry.
Peeking at the rest of your blog. You have some good thoughts and fabulous pictures, I will be back.
This was an excellent post. I agree with so much of what you said. I live in the U.S. and our health care system is terrible, in my opinion. Even with good health insurance I have to pay a lot and I'm one of the lucky ones. People in the U.S. often say that people in Canada don't have the choices we have but the insurance dictates our choices.
Where I live, if your company chances insurance, sometimes you have to change doctors because they are no longer on your plan. I knew someone in Canada who needed a treatment for advanced melanoma that wasn't available there and the Canadian system paid for her to have the treatment in NY. I for one wish the U.S. did have the health care that you have.
I also agree with what you said about medical advancements coming with a cost and I think it's a good question to raise. I well remember the days of pneumonia as the elderly friend and I saw that as a true blessing to someone I loved when I was younger. I don't have any answers but I think you are brave to raise the question. Take care, Carver
I am glad my post had provided a forum for discussion on health care from a lay persons point of view. Akelamalu, yes I was aware of the health care system in the UK, one of the things I like and well dislike about the UK system is that if the doctor can convince an individual to let's say quit smoking and the doctor can prove that he has saved the system money then the doctor gets bonuses....
Now if we take that a step further....what if the drug companies come to Dr. S office get him to use certain drugs for let's say diabetes....and the doctor gets some kick back from the drug company, while the patient gets to be a test subject....maybe it will work for the patient maybe it won't....but should the doctor be using his patient as a test subject......just some food for thought.....like I said I think if doctors can get diabetics to manage their diabetes better, or get someone to quit smoking or controll their blood pressure then yes I guess maybe they should be rewarded....I guess the patients reward is better health....and that's not such a bad thing either.
In any system there will always be people who try to take advantage of systems, whether it be health care or taxes. I just want to know why we as the general public aren't screaming from the roof tops about the backroom deals these politicians are making and then walking away with millions. It is criminal and they should be treated as such....but that is a whole other post.
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first thanks for visiting
very hot topic- being a school teacher some of your comments could be made about our education system here in the us, yes it is free, but there are not enough good teachers to go around but I go astray....
having a sil who had breast cancer and is now in debt because (and she had insurance)of it, your realize hey what is my insurance good for. However she had the best doctors--Maybe Canada and the US should join forces and take the best of both systems.
my mom was an RN and sometimes did extra work at nursing homes-now there is a crime and a shame of how we treat our elderly.
Your post was extremely thought provoking.I have had to deal with insurance companies, usually trying to get them to increase the length of a specific treatment. I spent more time on the phone with them and ultimately benefits were denied.
One of the main reasons I decided to retire was the increase in the work load due to the shortage of nurses. Since they couldn't replace the nurses they lost due to so many leaving the profession, they substituted with non professional staff and we were expected to train them and were responsible when errors were made. This was happening on a regular basis, plus our patient loads continued to increase dramatically. The administration always tried to get by on the cheap and instead of closing down the number of beds, they keep patients coming. Last year we had about twenty five nurses leave for other professions with no replacements in sight. I don't have any answers, but until the insurance companies cease to control the medical profession, I can't see any change.
Theresa....thanks for your comments....yes nursing homes is a completely different ballgame....I can't speak for the US but here is Canada we have private facilities and facilities that are shared by both for profit and government and then there are still the few government funded....what happens there in the private, is that they lure the families to put mom or dad in there by telling them that their facility has 24/7 medical care....that care is either a Care Aide or a LPN....now LPN's can give meds and take vital signs...but they are limited in their scope of practise....some of these facilities cut corners where ever they can....again that is a whole different ball game...and one I know my nursing union is trying to keep tabs on and keep the government accountable....just on an aside...I know of a facility that use to be government run...it sold to a private company...this company fired all the unionized staff...rehired staff at half the salary....again that is another story.....
mimmesotablue, the nursing shortage is an international problem...and like you the unit I work on have been short 3 full time positions so what we get in replacement are less qualified staff....I am talking in an ICU they are sending new grad nurses...managements beleives that a body is better than no body...not true....I really think we need to get back to the hospital training programs...and it was our nursing association who determined that all nurses had to have degrees in order to become nurses...so what that did was add two more years onto the teaching program...two more years for us to wait for new nurses....then these nurses often aren't job ready, because the way in which they have designed the degree programs a student nurse can spend most of his/her training not even in a hospital...no how helpful is that....
Again, there are many variable to the health care woes in our country, but again.....I know I don't have to worry about some HMO dictating what doctor I can see or what treatment I can have, nor do I have to go into debt to have a surgery....in certain circumstances our system if it can't provide you with the care you need here will pay to send you to where you can get it...now that is health care...again something I am very proud of and value and I will fight till my dying days to keep it that way....available to all....
Wow, great post, Mary Anne. I work in health care as well, in a large organization. We do screening for TB, and anyone who has TB or latent TB not only gets free medical care, they also get their medications free of charge. And if they have concomitant illnesses, they will be referred to specialists who deal with those illnesses. And I find that booking CT scans, ultrasounds, bronchoscopies, biopsies, etc., is always very fast. But we do have a shortage of nurses, unfortunately. They're stretched really thin.
All-in-all, I would say Canada has one of the best health care systems in the world.
health care anywhere basicly has its ups and downs. Though its always easier to point out the bad points
Good points RN. The problem is that the general public are not aware of the kickbacks doctors get. I had personal experience of this when prescribed HRT by my GP who, when I complained it didn't suit me, told me it couldn't possibly be the medication it must be me! I promptly changed GPs!
RN, this is a most excellent post, and of particular interest to be, as one of the 45+ million Americans unable to get health coverage here. 18,000 of us die every year, because we do not have health coverage. Thousands more die every year, because our insurance companies routinely deny treatment for covered ailments.
Health care decisions must be made by medical professionals whose primary interest is the health of the patient. Those decisions are far too important to leave them in the hands of greedy corporations for whom profit outweighs health.
Everyone needs police service available, so we provide it the most efficient way, with a single-payer system. Everyone needs firefighter service available, so we provide it the most efficient way, with a single-payer system. Everyone needs health service available, and the most efficient way to provide it is a single-payer system like Canada's.
If Canada lets US insurance companies take over there, your children will regret it until the day they die, which will probably be sooner than it would if you keep the system you have now, not perfect, but head and shoulders above the US greed-based system.
Well this is a very informative, thought provoking post.
I too am proud I live in Canada with a health care system that won't throw me thousands into debt for an emergency surgery.
Regarding nursing schools, really it depends on the school. I know in the lower mainland there are some RN programs that have less clinical time than others, but there are some (as in the school I attend) that have more clinical time than any other school. Aprox 85% of my schooling is done in the hospital setting. Hence the fact that my school has a reputation of producing really strong med/surg nurses. Additionally, our school preceptorship is 4 months FULL TIME hours in the hospital....none of this 6 weeks stuff like some schools.
That being said, the province of BC has developed a great program to help RN students hone their skills BEFORE they graduate, with the implementation of the undergraduate nurse program. Health authorities hire 3rd & 4th year students to work in a plethora of places about 1000 hours total and it's a paid position. Since by 3rd year we can typically do a whole bunch of stuff, the UGN's have been found to be very helpful relieving some of that tension felt caused by understaffing. We are an extra set of hands with not as much responsibility as a nurse. It is a fabulous program and it has been shown that RN students who do the UGN program feel much more ready to step foot on the floor than those who don't.
And then there is the New Grad program that new grads who have done the UGN program are automatically transfered into. Once they grad they are paired up with a mentor for 150 hours paid to help get their footing.
So while many people think that RN degree nurses are ill equipped on the floor, that may be true for some schools but certainly not ALL. And in fact, health authorities have done a lot to help ease the bridging process from student to RN.
Take the good with the bad, hey?!
running wildly....thank you for your comments....I am well aware of all of those programs that you presented....my hospital has been on the recieving end of nurses in those programs and situations.....taking good with bad can be said for many things.....nursing just being one of them.....we have had some excellent UGN's that will make awesome nurses when they are finished....but we have also had a lot that because their program allowed them to spend so much time away from med/surg nursing, are no where near being job ready...and I don't even think the mentorship program would help some of these nurses.
The mentorship programs as you are aware is to help new nurses hone their skills and to provide the new nurses an opportunity to work with a seasoned RN who through her experience has been able to learn time management, instinctively aware of subtle changes in patients condition which could be an indicator that something else is going on and pass this knowledge onto the new nurse....the mentorhsip program is not intended to teach new nurese skills that they should have learn't in nursing school....my point is...that unfortunately that is happening...and I don't know why....
I get the impression you think I am anti degree program, I am not...I for one, after my many years of nursing and specialty nursing have opted to go back to school yet again and finish my degree.....health care is for ever chaning and as a prudent nurse it is my responsibility to stay on top of the latest trends and treatment modalities......I would be more than willing to share with you my experiences and thoughts on the degree programs...the good and the not so good....this might help you understand a little more as to where I am coming from...please feel free to email me at anytime if you would like to discuss this matter further....
I am not candaian buy I too see a lot of th same things happening here. It seem both countries are in a crisis when it comes to health care and like you I see it firsthand being a nurse for 24 years.
Excellent post.....
My system won't let me read BlogSpot comments and it looks like everyone was very deep
Between myself, my father in law and my mother in law I have experienced a WIDE range of healthcare departments and problems.
I have to say that despite the long waits in ER's or my dubiousness about some of the 'calls' the physicians have made regarding various issues...the actual care
care was top notch.
I am truly thankful for the Canadian system.
I think the majority of issues are more in how the system is run. How Hospitals work - politics - understaffing - management - etc....are probably the cause of a
majority of problems that we all face with waits, etc. The medical field is big business and big money.
I think our doctors need more encouragement to become GP's especially in smaller and rural areas.
I think nurses need to be able to do more without waiting for a doctor etc.....depending on the issues and so on. Do we have Nurse Practitioners here?
When the ER doctor thought I had a weird cancer early last year.....I did not have to wait for a single test from blood work, ultrasounds ato CT Scans...they were scheduled asap.
The ICU staff with my MIL did their dardnest to keep us informed and always with compassion....she looked like a robot with the amount of machines and wires they
had her attached too....they worked with us and adviced us with as much honesty as the family could take.
When we lost our little baby.....I was rushed to the hosptial and treated with kid gloves for my entire stay.
The ER at our local hospital is very slow...but they are still great and always apologetic for the wait. And you rarely have to wait for any tests, speicalists
there either.
They are doing their best...and for only $384 every three months to cover my whole family.
I don't think privatization is the way to go. I think there MUSt be better ways to run the entire system.. I don't agree that each province controls it's
medical system and dollar amounts etc...I think it should be purely run as a Federal program and all Canadians should pay the same amounts.
I think beaurocracy and politics need to get out of it ...greed and human politicking need to be removed from all factors....healthcare equality should come first.
I am just not sure how to get there.
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